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		<title>Exam inside, summer outside</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 15:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lode</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual, the last period of the year, you&#8217;re sitting inside working for school, and outside the summer is playing with other people, not with me. Well, not completely true of course :) I just finished my last course here, handed in the research paper. I did a research about &#8216;doing nothing&#8217;. About the time [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, the last period of the year, you&#8217;re sitting inside working for school, and outside the summer is playing with other people, not with me.</p>
<p>Well, not completely true of course :) I just finished my last course here, handed in the research paper. I did a research about &#8216;doing nothing&#8217;. About the time people have in between tasks. About what they do with that and how that influences their work and their personal well-being. If you&#8217;re interested, leave a note or check my portfolio some time later.</p>
<p><a href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lh/photo/LRXD_A7om_beWjeVZiC0Cw?feat=directlink"><img class="alignright" title="Old rail track on the road to Hällberga" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_kY4tbgHfZfw/SiKTeTh0njI/AAAAAAAAESw/eivByLjCGbg/s288/IMG_2525.JPG" alt="" width="288" height="216" /></a>But at the same time, I make sure that I <a title="Photos of a walk in the forest" href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lodeclaassen/NaarBuitenRustOpzoekenMediteren?feat=directlink">get some fresh air</a> :) I took a short ride on <a title="Photos of the trip to Hällberga and Skogstorp" href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lodeclaassen/FietstochtNaarHallbergaEnSkogstorp?feat=directlink">the bike to Hällberga and Skogstorp</a>. A trip on a <a title="Photo of the sand road to Hällberga" href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lh/photo/qNaaSFiWBNVD6CtTE_smmw?feat=directlink">sand road</a> along an <a title="Photo of the old train track on the way to Hällberga" href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lh/photo/9t6oLZwBS8o30neKL5Fl1g?feat=directlink">old train track</a>. I met the <a title="Photo of a -dead- poisonous snake" href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lh/photo/MAMkinIS-BDCL_3CPMcCdQ?feat=directlink">poisonous snake of Sweden</a>, in a dead state though. And then, when you&#8217;re in the middle of the forest, suddenly this village of Hällberga turns up. Without even a name sign, too small for that.</p>
<p><a href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lh/photo/mJwUti0f-VzkJjeIRRru2Q?feat=directlink"><img class="alignright" title="Little duck sneaking at us" src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/_kY4tbgHfZfw/SiKTTesNg1I/AAAAAAAAESA/TSLVg9_TqF0/s288/IMG_2367.JPG" alt="" width="288" height="216" /></a>And with MDH we went on a last trip with the international group, to the <a title="Photos of the trip to the Sala silver mines" href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lodeclaassen/MDHAfsluitingSalaZilvermijn?feat=directlink">silver mines in Sala</a>. We spent some time <a title="Photo of the rocks and water 155m down in the silver mine" href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lh/photo/Vx3WE76bNYJnrBXvKBsPpQ?feat=directlink">155m underground</a> (without that much fresh air, although there was enough via ventilation holes) we also had a good time playing dodgeball (spökboll, trefbal), eating fresh salad in the park next to the mine, and later enjoying the view of <a title="Photos of little ducks in Västerås" href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lodeclaassen/JongeEendjes?feat=directlink">little ducks</a> in a park in Västerås together with Frida.</p>
<p>One more week now. Then Frida is free from work also and we go away for a few weeks. Visiting her parents place again, to <a title="Wikipedia on 'Gotland'" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland">Gotland</a> (the supposed beautiful island next to Sweden), canoeing maybe and we&#8217;ll see. Oh yeah, learn more about self sustaible living!</p>
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		<title>I&#8217;ll miss the piano</title>
		<link>http://www.lodeclaassen.nl/blog/2009/05/31/ill-miss-the-piano/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 12:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lode</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the last day as Mälardalens högskola, or at least, the last day of this semester. I&#8217;m doing some final work on my research project about time. I&#8217;m sitting at the faculty of IDT (Information Design Technology) in Eskilstuna. Not my faculty, but the most nearest one. Here&#8217;s my second work place, a wooden [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the last day as Mälardalens högskola, or at least, the last day of this semester. I&#8217;m doing some final work on my <a title="Post 'I feel home, after four months'" href="http://www.lodeclaassen.nl/blog/2009/05/11/i-feel-home-after-four-months/">research project about time</a>. I&#8217;m sitting at the faculty of IDT (Information Design Technology) in Eskilstuna. Not my faculty, but the most nearest one. Here&#8217;s my second <a title="Post 'Work space'" href="http://www.lodeclaassen.nl/blog/2009/03/01/work-space/">work place</a>, a wooden bench and a little outdoor place next to it.</p>
<p>On the wall is a quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>En känsla infinner sig,<br />
en tanke uppstår,<br />
en idé föds.</p></blockquote>
<p>After reading this, the first weekend here in Sweden, I knew the last sentence and thus the rest a little bit. &#8220;En idé föds&#8221; is about an idea being born. So, maybe something with chance (känsla) and thought (tanke)? Almost, as känsla is &#8216;feeling&#8217;, not chance. <a title="Google translate of [En känsla infinner sig, en tanke uppstår, en idé föds.]" href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t#sv|en|En%20k%C3%A4nsla%20infinner%20sig%2C%0Aen%20tanke%20uppst%C3%A5r%2C%0Aen%20id%C3%A9%20f%C3%B6ds.">Google translate thought</a> is was like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>A feeling arises,<br />
a thought occurs,<br />
an idea is born.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sometimes you&#8217;ll hear a piano in the background. In the corridors, next to the <em>filharmonin</em>, there is a piano. Just like now, sometimes somebody comes by and plays it. Just some notes, to practice. But everytime I paused my own music if I was listening, I paused my work, and just watched the trees or the rain through the window next to me. An anonymous piano player and me. The only ones in this place at the moment.</p>
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		<title>I feel home, after four months</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lode</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[School is getting interesting again (the last course was less I think). I&#8217;m now preparing a research about time, investigating how people spend their time in between the things they do. I hope to get something more about possible &#8216;doing nothing&#8217; time. The last few weeks I&#8217;ve noticed that I look differently at the trip [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lodeclaassen/Luchten?feat=directlink"><img class="alignright" title="The air is on fire" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_kY4tbgHfZfw/SgH3h2QXGGI/AAAAAAAAEFM/BTspYJXnbVw/s288/IMG_2190.JPG" alt="" width="216" height="288" /></a>School is getting interesting again (the last course was less I think). I&#8217;m now preparing a research about time, investigating how people spend their time in between the things they do. I hope to get something more about possible <a title="Post 'Doing nothing'" href="http://www.lodeclaassen.nl/blog/2009/03/01/doing-nothing/">&#8216;doing nothing&#8217;</a> time.</p>
<p>The last few weeks I&#8217;ve noticed that I look differently at the trip to school, at doing shopping, at walking in the city. I finally start to see this as normal. Before it was still my study abroad. Now this way to school has become my way to school, this city became my city. I feel at home, I think.</p>
<p>On the right is a part of that life. On my way to school the air was on fire. Oh, btw, <a title="Photos of Valborg" href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lodeclaassen/Valborg?feat=directlink">another fire</a> that was part of the life here, was <a title="Wikipedia on 'Walpurgis Night'" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night">Valborg</a>. The Swedish helgdagar (holiday) on the 30th of April.</p>
<p>From one of the first books about intercultural interactions:</p>
<blockquote><p>Strangeness is no longer a temporary condition to be overcome, but a way of life.<br />
Harman</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Dark Swedish forests all around me&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.lodeclaassen.nl/blog/2009/03/25/dark-swedish-forests-all-aroun/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lode</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dark Swedish forests all around me. I&#8217;m on a bus as there are no trains this week, real accident.. ( sent when I got near a gsm tower again :) )]]></description>
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		<title>Travels on international womans day</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lode</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was a concert last Sunday were I went with Frida. It was from 6 girls, Google Translate said they called themselves Firefox and Waster (Eldflugor och Odågor), singing songs, mostly a cappella, some with addition of drums. Most of the songs were in Swedish so I didn&#8217;t understand the words, but I could understand [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 210px"><a href="http://eldflugor.se"><img title="Eldflugor och Odågor" src="http://eldflugor.se/arderestart.jpg" alt="Eldflugor och Odågor (picture from eldflugor.se)" width="200" height="336" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Eldflugor och Odågor (picture from eldflugor.se)</p></div>
<p>There was a concert last Sunday were I went with Frida. It was from 6 girls, Google Translate said they called themselves <a title="Translation of sundays' concert" href="http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&amp;hl=nl&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2F209.85.129.132%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3AoX3Gx2oME8cJ%3Awww.kulturoasen.se%2Fprogram.asp%2Bkonsert%2Bmed%2Beldflugor%2Boch%2Bod%25C3%25A5gor%26cd%3D2%26hl%3Dnl%26ct%3Dclnk&amp;sl=sv&amp;tl=en">Firefox and Waster</a> (Eldflugor och Odågor), singing songs, mostly a cappella, some with addition of drums.</p>
<p>Most of the songs were in Swedish so I didn&#8217;t understand the words, but I could understand the feeling sometimes. A bit like <a title="TED.com 'Evelyn Glennie: How to listen to music with your whole body'" href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/evelyn_glennie_shows_how_to_listen.html">Evelyn Glennie showed on TED</a>.</p>
<p>It also was a great place there, good atmosphere. I think it was a  living and working community (is that a correct term in English?). And there was a ecological shop in this building, finally with really good goods. Too bad it is in Uppsala which costs about €30,- to travel to..</p>
<p>It was great to travel this whole day. Although not as far as <a title="Nikki's post 'Kiruna'" href="http://blog.nikkiveldhuis.nl/?p=159">Nikki is traveling</a>, I finally see some other places then only Eskilstuna and Västerås. And also that the good day is more than the goal your going to (the concert), it is also the travel, the things you see, the talks you have, what you think about..</p>
<p>On the way back there was this flyer on the streets of Uppsala. Some flyer from the International Womans Day. On the front it had a quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Det är tur att vi finns, men det är en skam att vi behövs!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I, apparently with my cultural background, read something like &#8216;man are scum and we behave&#8217;. Ohoh, don&#8217;t read that! Too late :) Not, it was more something like &#8216;it is good that we exist, but a shame that we are needed!&#8217;, about the <a title="Website of Tjejjouren Slussen" href="http://www.tjejjourenslussen.se/">womans organization</a> behind this flyer.</p>
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		<title>Life as seen from a rock</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lode</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found a nice little park next to the supermarket &#8211; the Hemköp seen in the middle. I sat on a rock there, with this view. Good place to think, overview of the city. I&#8217;ve been photographing a lot lately. I&#8217;ve also not been photographing a lot, just experiencing the environment. But both serve their [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lh/photo/BD_mgt3IWb67gYgB2478Dw?feat=directlink"><img class="alignnone" title="Panorama vanuit een parkje" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_kY4tbgHfZfw/SbV6bmFQ13I/AAAAAAAAC6E/LhKAzagOR2s/s800/panorama%20parkje%20hemk%C3%B6p%20-%20auto.jpg" alt="" width="484" height="87" /></a></p>
<p>I found a nice little park next to the supermarket &#8211; the Hemköp seen in the middle. I sat on a rock there, with this view. Good place to think, overview of the city.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been photographing a lot lately. I&#8217;ve also <em>not</em> been photographing a lot, just experiencing the environment. <a title="Nikki's post 'finished animation', last part about photographing" href="http://blog.nikkiveldhuis.nl/?p=120">But both serve their goal.</a> Photographing helps me to get another view on things. By trying different ways to capture a space I learn the different aspects of the space as well.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m making new <a title="Wikipedia on 'Stereogram'" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereogram">stereograms</a> here. Thanks again Ivo for pointing me at this way back :) It is a trick to photograph an object which can been seen in 3D again pretty easy afterwards. See the picture below. The trick to see 3D here is to &#8216;cross your eyes&#8217; to look at a non-existing point <em>in front</em> of the real image. Focus until you&#8217;ve got both grey circles to join eachother in the middle, then look at the image.</p>
<p>See more <a title="Photos of Swedish stereograms" href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lodeclaassen/ZweedseStereogrammen?feat=directlink">Swedish stereograms</a> from the <a title="Photos of Eskilstuna's nature" href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lodeclaassen/NatuurInEskilstuna?feat=directlink">nature of Eskilstuna</a> :)</p>
<p><a href="http://picasaweb.google.nl/lodeclaassen/ZweedseStereogrammen?feat=directlink"><img class="alignnone" title="Stereogram moss with icicle" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_kY4tbgHfZfw/Sbjn52QgM6I/AAAAAAAADDg/GN_mdAeEooc/s800/stereogram%20slottsbacken%20mos%20met%20ijspegels%20-%20leerstrip.jpg" alt="" width="484" height="340" /></a></p>
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		<title>Doing nothing</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Lode</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not much activity on my blogg lately. I&#8217;ve been &#8216;doing nothing&#8217;, feels very good :) For my last course &#8211; which I finished with a &#8216;pass with distinction&#8217; grade, the highest possible &#8211; I had to write a book review and I reviewed &#8216;A Geography of Time&#8216; by Robert Levine. Levine describes very interesting differences [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much activity on my blogg lately. I&#8217;ve been &#8216;doing nothing&#8217;, feels very good :)</p>
<p>For my last course &#8211; which I finished with a &#8216;pass with distinction&#8217; grade, the highest possible &#8211; I had to write a book review and I reviewed &#8216;<a title="Google [ &quot;a geography of time&quot; robert levine ]" href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22a+geography+of+time%22+robert+levine">A Geography of Time</a>&#8216; by Robert Levine. Levine describes very interesting differences between our experience of time amongst different people / cultures. How our experience of time influences our whole structure of life and how not every culture lives with the calendar as we know it. Not only starting the counting of the year at another point in time, but also having different week, month and year lengths.</p>
<p>The most interesting point he makes about time I think is the difference between clock time and event time. People living on clock time let events start when the clock &#8216;tells&#8217; them to do, whereas people living on event time let the events themselves tell this, also more feeling when the time is right to start something else. An excerpt from my paper:</p>
<blockquote><p>Take the example of being in a conversation with someone. In a clock-time culture you would keep an eye on the time and try to work towards an end in the conversation when the clock tells you you have something else to do. If this doesn&#8217;t work as good as you want, you need to abruptly end the conversation to be in time for the next.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>In an event-time culture you wouldn&#8217;t mind what the clock says. The conversation continues until both parties have the idea that it is over. This is more likely when a goal has been reached, when you feel that there is nothing more to say. After ending the conversation in this way you still don&#8217;t look at your watch. Instead, you&#8217;ll see what comes on your path next. This then, is the next event.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>This example gives a bit extreme view on clock- and event-time though. Not all conversations will be ended abruptly because time is up and after a conversation in event-time you can take a look on the calendar to see what to do next. Nevertheless, the tendency is towards these examples.</p></blockquote>
<p>Further Levine gives some lessons you should learn when you&#8217;re &#8216;time traveling&#8217;, traveling to a culture with another experience of time. I added a part in which I tell how to change your behavior if you&#8217;re staying in the same culture but want to adjust to another time anyway :)</p>
<p>One part of that is &#8216;learning to appreciate doing nothing&#8217;. In clock time cultures &#8216;doing nothing&#8217; is mostly seen as a waste of time, time in which you <em>could</em> have been doing something else. In event time cultures &#8216;doing nothing&#8217; is more an event on its own, as good as other events. You spend time looking around you, thinking, not thinking, talking, eating, waiting, feeling. As you see, you still <em>do</em> things, the difference lies in doing things without a direct goal. &#8216;Doing nothing&#8217; is more about not having a direct goal and just feel what you&#8217;ll do and not feeling awkward about it!</p>
<p>So that is what I&#8217;ve been doing a lot lately. I spend a weekend with Frida just doing nothing. Talking, looking, listening to music, eating, thinking, laughing, healing. Later this week I saw an older couple in the IKEA restaurant, they already finished their meal and were doing nothing. Looking around, at each other, digesting, thinking, talking a bit. Very cool to see.</p>
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